1. i wrote on the post you made about sources and references with my own thoughts, quite extensively

2. some major things i would like to keep/include as important pages are the pages on other alterhuman types (therians, copinglinkers, etc) as they might be useful references for unsure new alterhumans. i dont believe we need a page for every possible kintype, that clogs up the workload of everything, but it would be nice to have 'umbrella pages' covering broad categories, like insectkin, plantkin, mammalkin, etc. less individual kintype, more cladokin/cladotherian. i believe covering it as clades like that would make it easier to describe these categories, and navigate and govern the wiki

3. currently the only page about real people is the one on naia okami, otherwise known as the person from the 'on all levels except physical, i am a wolf *bark*' vine. she's the founder and current admin of kinmunity as well. she made her own page, and it is currently a completely protected page as it was particularly popular to vandalize it, including one vandal changing the page image to an image of surgical gore. i think 'notable enough for a page' would be members of the alterhuman community who, like naia, are well-known, run their own large forums, are community organizers, etc. privacy should be kept high, since pages with real people or about other forums are targets for vandalism and harassment and i'd like to avoid giving out personal information as fuel to the fire. for the same reason, individuals like naia with pages about themselves should be allowed to edit them (in the past, i have unprotected the page for naia to edit herself, but that's because i was unsure of wiki protections vs roles, and admittedly that is a very unsecure way to handle these pages)

4. we'd have to look to other wikis, like wikipedia, on how they handle edit wars. in the past it was simply my edits against people who were spreading harmful or misinformational content, so i simply addressed those situations by locking those pages. very aggressive, very stubborn approach, and though it does stop arguments about if something harmful is 'valid' enough to have a page on this wiki, it also halts *all other discussion*. i'd like to avoid that again, it sucks

5. honestly we need formatting guides for articles of all types. when it was just myself editing and making articles, i used american english, semi-formal writing, capitalizing otherkin and kintypes only at the start of sentences or in the names of things like forums, and including instructional or guide sections within pages for topics like kintypes and shifting. i think including including those would be helpful to newer/younger otherkin who come to the wiki for guidance for their actions and in my day ive seen a lot of otherkin unsure of themselves end up with vicious behavior towards others of our kind because they think they have to act like feral animals, or lose their sense of personhood separate from their kintype, or threaten others for having the same/similar kintypes.

6. please go ahead and fix the front page. mobile wiki is incredibly inaccessible to the disabled, and trying to edit on it gives me horrible frustration meltdowns. its interface for editing on desktop is likewise kind of shitty, so i just stopped trying to fix the front page after its been horrifically frustrating

7. any suggestions for fixing the otherkin article itself? it was left protected after a vandal surge ages ago, and im horrible about getting back to unprotecting pages so it sat dormant and untouched. as well as that, i had/still have significant caution about leaving it unprotected, since its one of the most obvious articles for trolls to vandalize or pedantic and unnecessary edit wars to start on

> i don't feel that specific kintypes need pages; i'm pretty firmly seated in the camp that the information there usually belongs on other pages [ex. if it needs clarification that a birdkin could feel a phantom beak, that's an issue with the phantom limbs article] or belongs on blog posts or should be completely off wiki [ex. advice sections]. i think a page should be made when there's unique information on the topic that wouldn't make sense to be on another page.

@Thecloudking , what information do you think the 'umbrella pages' should contain? the way i see it, i don't think that there's enough information out there for an entire article about insectkin, or most categories similar to that. to me, a distinct community with its own history would be a good way for groups like that to have enough to talk about on a page, and i'm not really aware of any communities that fit that.

> i'm not quite sure on how relevant a person needs to be to have their own page. while i agree that a person should have control over their page for privacy reasons, i take issue with no one else being able to edit. i understand why naia's page was protected, but there must be some way to others to contribute information. naia's page is unsourced, and people who write pages about themselves can have a tendency to write about themselves more positively. this is nothing against naia, and i'm not claiming that she added false information to her page, but everyone has unconscious biases. and, in the future, someone else could add false information to their page, which could be an issue when others aren't allowed to edit.

> i think it's best to reach out to someone or have a discussion on a talk page if you disagree with their edit. maybe both perspectives have some truth to them, and if people just go on an edit war and don't listen to each other's view the wiki would be worse off for it.

> i like using an encyclopedic style. i think it's just more proper and makes information seem more trustworthy. i think that instructions and guides take away from this. also, guides are very opinion-based, and what works for one person might not work for another, which beings up questions about what should be included in guides that i think should be avoided altogether. but i recognize that they have value, so i think they could be either migrated to blog posts or could be in the external links section of an article. if someone disagrees with a guide, this prompts them to make their own rather than have disagreements surrounding a page. i think any communities, information that didn't fit in the page, etc. can also be included in the external links.

> i think the main page should be changed to say that the wiki has information about otherkin and similar alterhuman identities; it kind of lumps everything into being about otherkin right now. i think, if we go with the plural point of view that many of us have agreed with on the other discussion post, we could talk about trying to balance differing information to make sure this wiki is representative of the diversity in alterhuman spaces. mobile just has the default text right now, i think we should either include the same paragraph as desktop or condense it if it ends up being lengthy.

> i think the otherkin page needs to be expanded a ton, with the community's history, how terminology was developed and used, the reception of the community and how it has changed through time, and discussing the experiences of otherkin and the diversity of those experiences.

Is it here where we request factkin page to be unprotected so we can edit there?

Question about fictionkinity, can you be a plushkin?? Like I have a yellow, orange, green, blue and purple black-beaded eyed caterpillar stuff and I feel very connected and pretty sure i’m a fictionkin (i have showed all the signs)?